FurTech - Mark Banks
Thanks for swift postage. Fit and finish superb. Tried jacket in 10 mile walk in pouring rain, better than goretex and event jackets that I used to own. Many thanks Andy. Kind regards Mark.
Thanks for swift postage. Fit and finish superb. Tried jacket in 10 mile walk in pouring rain, better than goretex and event jackets that I used to own. Many thanks Andy. Kind regards Mark.
I've now more or less been living in the trouser since Christmas.
As a base layer I've been using a medium weight merino long john.
Temp range: From 5 degrees above freezing to -25 degrees C.
From calm weather to winds so hard it was difficult to move.
Activities include walking the dog in loose thigh deep snow, cross country skiing in the mountains to powder skiing and ski-mountaineering.
I really like them. Keeps me comfortable, warm and dry. Which for me is rare.
If I get sweaty and a bit wet it's in the small of the back. And that only happens if the temp is close to zero C.
The fabric seems to be tough. I can see some wear on the knees. I use some kneepads while telemarking so that could be hard on the fabric.
Using the trouser from you but a jacket, softshell from another brand. I do have problems with the jacket in winter. There's not room enough for a woolnet shirt and a thin microfleece in the arms and shoulder area. I need that combo for staying warm in the winter temps.
While inactive in -25 degrees temps I put on a synthetic belay pant. A thicker base layer may do the trick but could be too warm while moving. We haven't had it any colder so far this winter so how the trouser performs in really cold weather I really don't know. On the other hand, being out in -20 C temps and hard wind could be like -40.... So the stuff performs!
Sometimes it could be nice with a higher waisted bib. But as an allround, do-anything pant they do what they should do, they work.
Today it's -14, a warm(!) day after several days with temps down to - 25. So It's sunny and calm. Me and my dog will get out and do some skiing, with the trousers on!
Anders Bentsen, Telemark, Norway
...Just came back from a short ski-trip, about 2 hours: wet sleet, 0 degrees and: Dry pants! At least on the inside. I AM impressed!
Second review on the Claw 2 Jacket and Trousers.
Glencoe, December 21st 2008 Beinn a` Bheithir (Sgorr Dhearg) & (Sgorr Dhonuill)
Good old Scottish day on the hill, WET & WINDY, what a great day to test my Jacket and Trousers. I think I was the only person on the hill that day, never seen anyone apart from the sheep, and even they were taken shelter!
Round trip took six hours including breaks, which about four hours was heavy rain and winds of 50 mph at the summits, with mist.
I wore a base layer and jacket, and trousers with pants for the trip, and never changed or took anything off. As far as the waterproofing goes, it does the trick. I sweat a lot and found that it draws the sweat away a lot better than any other materials that I have ever had before.
What I like more about this product, more than anything else that I`ve used, is you put it on at the start of the day and keep it on, without taking things off and putting things on. All you really need to do is open and close the vents when you get to hot or cold. It seems to work with your body heat very well, and as far as wind and rain that’s not a problem, it won’t get in.
You can put this jacket or trousers on when wet and don’t get cold, due to the warm inner, not like a cold GORE-TEX.
The hood stood up to more than I expected, summit wind was nearly 50 mph and the hood was fine. I sometimes fold back the clear visor when it’s not windy and raining, but just cold. I use to take two hats at all time, one as a spare, and one to wear, but only take one now, because the jacket hood is lined and nice and warm, not like GORE-TEX jacket that would be cold without wearing a hat.
Things I would maybe change?
G String on jacket would be good if it was adjustable maybe, don’t know if it was my Y fronts that were causing me a bit of an irritant, or the G Strap?
The other option would be it put clips or straps on the inside of the jacket at the hips then clip or strap on the trousers at the hips, that means there would be no reason for chaffing. Only problem is if you don’t buy the trousers to mach, you’ve had it! Maybe all the more reason to do something like that.
Sorry, GORE-TEX, NO MORE!!!
Tried to take some pics, but the day was very miserable. I have attached a couple!
Andy, do you make custom made jackets? I would love more room under the arms and back, everywhere else is fine.
Here are some of my climbing pics. http://www.flickr.com/photos/nfinnigan/sets/72157604013600497
I will write a third review after I have used and abused the products after a few more months. In this I think I will put a You Tube clip on describing all the products I have used, and compare it.
Cheers
Nick Finnigan
The Claw 2 and trousers arrived today. The trousers look great, long M fits me very well. I tried them on a short walk (no rain, no wind :((( ). It´s now 3°C here, a sunny day. They are very very comfortable. I also tried the venting zips and they really work. Overall they look great as the autumn/winter trousers I was waiting for.
The Claw 2 is fantastic. The torso is made from one layer of Furtech liner now, isn´t it? I think it´s a step forward. Sleeves and cuffs are much better in my opinion. I don´t like cuffs on Claw 1 too much. But cuffs on Claw 2 are a great improvement, I think. Hood - the best I´ve ever seen and tried on outdoor technical jacket. Hoods on hardshell jackets simply can´t compete with Furtech´s hood! Longer cut is great improvement too. And I also like your new logo more than the previous one. This is just a second generation of the Claw but you made so many improvements that I think it will be difficult to make the Claw even better in future. My father will love it. I will be trying to sell my Claw 1 and then I will buy the Claw 2 too :)))
This is my impressions of the Claw 2 Jacket and trousers.
Ordered a large size, which I would normally fit into a medium or large size, but found that under the arms were a bit snug and across the back sholders. Its fine if I open the under arm zip used for venting. I ordered the next size up, XL but was too baggy for my likening, but was just right under the arms. I stuck with the large size and tested it out.
Glen Etive, Stob Ghabhar & Stob a Choire Odhair 06/12/08 @ -7 without any wind chill. Base layer only, under the jacket and nothing under my trousers, except my Ys.
Seven hours later I never had to take the jacket off or change my base layer due to being normally cold and wet. I opened and closed vent zips and took arms out of the sleeves when was over heating. Hood used when needed and didn’t find use for my hat due hood being warm.
Likes.
Very breathable and warm, with good vents when things get hot.
Warm hood with clear visor which I thought looked naff when I got the Jacket, but I wouldn’t change it now!
G String to secure the jacket down pass your waist, and stops trousers falling down.
Good size pockets for maps, gps, Ect
You can open vent zips, but keep the buttons closed inside to allow more venting.
Light and compact.
Waterproof under the tap, but not tested under Scottish rain yet? I’m sure this won’t take long to test out.
More room under the arms and the back. (I maybe abnormal?)
Put hole on the sleeves for thumb to go through, instead of putting Velcro strap under thumb to secure jacket arms down.
Inside pockets, make with thin material so jacket is not so bulky at the front.
TROUSERS Thicker/wider belt loops.
A review of the FurTech Trousers is available on Outdoors Magic.
I only managed to get out in some proper wet weather a few weekends ago and it truly was wet. We went up to Sykeside campsite near Hart Crag, not too far from Fairfield, in the Lakes for a weekend of walking. The Friday night and Saturday saw 70 mph winds on the tops and continual driving rain.
Saturday morning we set off from the campsite for Hart Crag. I had the Furtec jacket over a lightweight base layer, and Mountain Equipment XCR over-trousers over Ron Hill Tracksters. On the ascent I recall feeling pretty wet, especially my back where my rucsac was in contact. At the time I couldn't tell if it was perspiration or ingress of rain - my brow is normally drenched at the first sight of hard work, so it was probably the former.
After the initial enthusiastic pace lessened and we'd stopped for a brew and some lunch I recall feeling quite comfortable and by the time we'd reached the summit I definitely felt dry (at least my top half did) The 70 mph winds were helping the Furtech jacket do its thing despite the driving rain.
When we returned to the campsite and the shelter of the shower block I found that my base layer was indeed bone dry, while my Tracksters were positively damp. The rain had not eased off at all on the descent. I've never been wet in a jacket before to later feel dry. The remarkable thing about the Furtech jacket isn't the way it keeps you dry, it's the way it gets you dry.
The Sunday saw a huge contrast in the weather. Cloudless skies gave a temperature of around 8 degrees, but an icy wind dropped that to -3 when exposed. The route that day took a good horseshoe route round the tops and as the route took us in and out of the wind we were continually experiencing both extremes of temperature. The versatility with the large under arm zips is fantastic, my arms were bobbing in and out of the sleaves all the time. The changes were so often that it would have been stupid to be continually donning and doffing layers to maintain comfort and you'd have to opt to be either too cold or too hot at times and live with the resulting discomfort. The ample under arm zips meant I could remain more comfortable for longer.
I've also managed to get out on the crags at Dovestones with the jacket. Again I was pretty impressed. November doesn't tend to offer the best climbing weather, and this trip was no exception. The wind-chill was incredible, but other than some occasional light mizzle it stayed mostly dry. With a light and mid base layer on under the claw jacket I was comfortable on the belays, and on the climbs. The close cut and soft fabric of the jacket meant I could wear my harness over the jacket without it billowing out hindering access to the belay device and gear when climbing. It didn't tend to ride up out of the harness waste strap either - without the crotch strap.
Due to the greasy rock we stuck to the easier grades which lead us into some thruchy chimneys. I was a bit reluctant to start slithering up in between the coarse gritstone for fear of damaging my still quite shiny jacket. However I need not have worried so much. Despite seriously chaffing some gear hanging on my harness the jacket escaped unscathed - I have only managed to spot one very small pull which is certainly nothing I'm going to worry about.
On a downside I did have trouble keeping the hood up over my helmet when facing into the wind. The helmet is one of the old Edelrid ones, not exactly compact... But I gave up in the end and just left it down.
...I meant to add that overall I'm very impressed with your jacket, and I think you've done a great job!
Phil is a member of Glossop Mountain Rescue Team. (The Claw2 has an improved hood which should address his last comment.)
Photo taken in the Pyrenees, looking towards Canigou (2785m)
Thanks for that. The jacket arrived on Tuesday and
its a great fit. I've been wearing it for my 30min
walk to work instead of a shell and fleece and its
been grand, its been cold but not that wet - yet.
It feels like an upgraded version of my buffalo
mountain shirt as it has a similar feel and
pit zips for ventilation but the bonus of a
decent hood and hopefully a lot more waterproof
in heavy rain. One of the more regular hill walkers
in the office was comparing it with his paramo
cascada and he reckoned it was lighter, less
baggy and the hood toggles weren't at the
front to hit you in the face when its windy.
Thanks
Andrew
"Hi Andy,
Am I imagining things, or did you used to sell Trousers too? I love my jacket so much I want to get the trousers, but they’re not on your site anymore?
Thanks a lot,
Matthew Smith"
3/10/08
We are expecting the shipment of the trousers very soon and I'll be updating the site with the details.
Thanks for your patience, Andy Davison.
Here are my thoughts on the Claw jacket, one year on, and a photo of it in action.
I bought this jacket about a year ago and, although I haven't used it over the summer, it has been worn in a variety of conditions through the rest of the year. As someone who breaks into a sweat climbing a stile, I was interested to see if it was a viable alternative to a normal hard shell for the wet and windy west Highlands.
In the freezing cold - keeps me toasty warm, and I've only ever worn a regular base layer underneath. The fabric feels warm as well, in contrast to shell jackets. I definitely couldn't wear any more than a base layer underneath.
In heavy rain - I can see where it's getting wet as the fabric gets darker, but nothing has ever come through. The other jacket I wear is a Rab Vapour Rise, and heavy rain can get through that pretty rapidly - not with the Claw jacket so far (and living in Glencoe it gets rained on a lot) - so I would say that it's significantly more waterproof than a 'normal' softshell. When I wear the baby carrier I haven't noticed any water come through where the straps are pressing down either.
On warmer days - still excellent. However hard I am working I have stayed dry and comfortable (ie. not feeling damp, or clammy, or too hot). On bright dry days this can means having the pit zips open all day, but that's what they're for. I'm not sure how much difference this actually makes to my temperature, but I'm bothered about feeling comfortable not what temperature I actually am, and it's easy to get comfortable in this jacket.
Other things - the hood is great. I can get it lovely and snug around my head, it moves very well, and the clear visor is the work of genius. And for someone built for comfort it's nice to find a jacket that can zip right up without strangling me. I like the flared cuffs too - I can get my hands right up inside them when it's cold, so less occasions when I stop to get gloves out. All the pockets take a map.
Downsides - the arms are too tight around the shoulders, for me anyway. That said, I'm not skinny, so it wouldn't be a problem for everyone. And once I've set off I'm not aware of it so it can't be that bad. Never used the under crotch strap thing, or the fancy thumb loop way either. The velcro cuff tighteners seem a little flimsy compared to the rest of the jacket, but no problems with them.
It's a fantastic jacket, and even in the crappiest weather it's a pleasure being outside in it.
Regards
Joe
Andy,
I just wanted to say thank you for a first class product and what must have been immediate dispatch! I bought my girlfriend a jacket a month or so ago and have been periodically borrowing it when she wasn’t looking J I’ve just got my own and couldn’t be happier! It will replace My Gore-Tex hardshell, e-vent cycling jacket on the daily commute and my softshell too!
I think I’ve managed to persuade someone else to buy one, so if you get an order from a lady called Tina Bennett it was on my recommendation – she was going to by my old North Face hardshell but I told her to buy furtech instead! I will also be buying my sister one too, as she’s an outdoor pusrsuits instructor and could use one!
Keep up the good work and I will continue to spread the word on what a great product you have J
Thanks again,
Matthew Smith
This summer(08) Mark Southee climbed the Goutier Route on Mont Blanc in snowy conditions. He used his FurTech jacket and added a synthetic insulated top for the cold and windy summit. You can see his pictures here. There are some great shots of the grand couloir, ascent to the Goutier Hut and the Bossons ridge. Also, a nice picture of the Aig. de Bionnassay.
I am attaching a photo, which I promised you to accompany my review of the talon jacket, which I bought from you last November. As I am not a winter walker I haven't been able to take it on to the hills until this May, hence the delay. I have, however, used it extensively during the winter on my regular 25-mile cycle commute, and I have found its ability to keep me dry in all conditions really remarkable.
It was therefore with a sense of perverse disappointment that it hardly rained at all on my recent trip to Glencoe. Darn those crystal clear blue skies and shimmering sunsets! It was, however, a good opportunity to test out the Talon’s temperature-control credentials. The main reviews of the jacket seem to have labelled it as a winter jacket. They have completely ignored one of the jacket’s major design features, which is the ability to put the arms through the rain vents, effectively turning the jacket into a gillet. I used this feature extensively and it enabled me to keep the jacket on throughout warm days, while others in my group had to stop to add or remove layers.
The other thing I love about this kind of jacket is the fact that I can allow myself to get a little wet (let’s be honest, a bit of rain on the head on a warm day can be pleasurable) safe in the knowledge that the jacket will actually dry me off and stop me getting cold when I stop, rather than trapping the moisture under the garment, as a membrane would.
On the one day I decided it was too warm to wear the jacket I packed it instead, and while it is a little bulky compared to a membrane jacket, it actually saved me space and weight in the pack because it was the only garment I needed to carry – no need for additional insulation or waterproofing.
In summary, I would contest the opinion of anyone who regards this jacket as suitable for winter use only. It is simply the most versatile garment I own and keeps me dry and comfortable in British conditions. When it is hot and dry and no outer garment is required it is less heavy and bulky to pack than the combination of garments you would need to replace it.
All the best, Tim Maple
(bold emphasis added)
"When the Claw arrived I was really surprised by how soft the material was. I was surprised by its weight too. I expected a bit heavier jacket. The fit of the jacket is very good for me. When I tried the Claw a thought it could not be waterproof. So I decided to test it in very heavy summer rain. One of my softshells with NoWind membrane can cope with such a strong rain for about 2-3 minutes. After 5 minutes I am totaly wet in this softshell and then it is very uncomfortable to wear and dries very long time. In same conditions the Claw has no problems after 30 minutes of heavy rain. This is more than enough for me because such heavy rain we have max. 5-6 times a year and its duration is not more than one hour. Light and medium rain is absolutely no problem for Furtech jackets.
"The Claw also offers excellent wind protection for me. I think it is not totaly windproof but I can say it is highly wind resistant. My test of wind resistace was very crazy. I was travelling by train and I decided to test the Claw there. I leaned out my upper body from from the window for approximately 5 minutes. Speed of train was 110-120 km/h, air temperature 4-5 degrees of Celsius + light rain. The result - I felt only a slight chilling on the sleeves outer PES layer was wet but no water inside. Another great surprise for me :) Someone say that softshells are suitable for 80 percent of weather conditions. The Furtech jackets are in my opinion suitable for at least 95 percent of weather conditions. Maybe more :)
"The hood design is the best I have ever seen on jackets. Hood is softer than on hardshell jackets, jacket is much more quiet during walking than any hardshell I have. One of the best things on the hood is a transparent peak which I really like. Soft, very flexible and warm hood is great for winter use but not as good in summer. In summer it is a bit warm for me. But on the other hand it is very breathable. Breathability is one of things I really love on this jacket. More breathable than for example my Montane Quickfire eVent jacket which is also great jacket but now I prefer Claw for hiking (it is more comfortable for me) and Quickfire for mountain biking or trail running in rain. Well, the Claw is a perfect jacket for me and I expect many years of fun with it."
Ondrej Sabol, Slovakia
On the Live for the Outdoors forum Chris Oats commented
"...it's a fine cold weather coat that is warm enough to drop a layer or two, superbly comfortable, huge pockets, long arms in case you forgot gloves, repairable, easily re-proofable.
Above all it's pretty cheap if you think of it as ' if I could only have one coat and my life might depend on it'."
On the Live for the Outdoors forum travisb wrote
"I've used my Claw in both very wet, and blizzard conditions. I've been warm and dry in both conditions, and only having a Helly Hansen Lifa top on underneath. The pit vents really make a difference to regulating your temperature. The only minor fault is the location of the map pockets, as they are obstructed by my pack waist belt. I certainly won't be going back to a hardshell for winter."
I suspect the mention of pockets here refers to the hand pockets, which are big enough for a map. There are two other map sized napoleon pockets too.
In the April issue of TGO Chris Townsend reviewed the FurTech Talon jacket he has had on test since May 2007. He wrote
"a waterproof garment that is extremely breathable (far more than any coated or membrane fabric) and that also has a degree of insulation, making it really a type of softshell... As well as greater breathability this type of garment has the advantage that it can be reproofed over and over again so has a longer life than a coated or membrane jacket.
"...the clear visor does give an amazing sense of freedom due to the extra visibility while still protecting the face.
"The Talon is far more comfortable to wear than any coated or membrane waterproof and far more waterproof than a softshell. In winter storms, both rain and snow, it has kept me dry and warm without any condensation problems."
Enough wind to knock us over, enough snow to fill our tracks and lashings of rain (this was the week that most of Britain was storm damaged or flooded). On steep ascents with heavy sacks and slow, cold belays we wore the same thick base layers and FurTech jackets each day and they performed brilliantly, keeping us warm and dry. By the time we drove back to the B&B they had dried out. Here are a few pictures (though it was impossible to get the camera out in the worst of the weather).
Trail reviewed various synthetic jackets in the February 2008 issue, including the Blizzard Jacket as a rank outsider. They praised it as an excellent lightweight survival jacket but it clearly isn't the same type of garment as the others tested.
The magazine included insulation tests at Leeds university which were interesting:-
Contrary to some of the other information available about the Blizzard Reflexcell technology these tests show that the warmth to weight ratio doesn't quite double the performance of one of the best down jackets on the market. However, this is like trying to compare chalk, cheese and chips!
In the February issue of The Great Outdoors magazine Chris Townsend writes about getting the most out of your outdoor clothing system. In particular he advises about making the most of an extended layering system and adjusting garments to avoid overheating and chilling - it's well worth a read.
Commenting on waterproofs he wrote "Another solution to the waterproof dilemma is the system - pioneered by Paramo and recently taken up by FurTech - of a windproof outer with a water repellent lining that moves moisture away from the body. This works well and is far more breathable than any conventional waterproof."
Judy Armstrong reviewed a range of sacks in the Feb. 2008 issue and awarded the GoLite Jam 2 with "TGO Recommended" and "Lightest in Test". She wrote "I consider the Jam to be unbeatable with a bulky lightweight load".
I find that with careful packing and use of the compression side straps I can comfortably carry medium weight loads, including Alpine climbing kit.
It was windy and bitterly cold at Rhossili as we prepared for a bit of body boarding and I was wishing I had a neoprene balaclava. The only hat available was an OD Windy Ush which I wore for the walk down to the beach, thinking I'd leave it under a rock. Once there, the prospect of someone walking off with it didn't appeal, so I kept it on as we entered the sea.
Though I tried to keep my head up in the 4ft surf, each wave that crashed over me forced icy cold water through the fabric, but the majority drained away rapidly and my head was definately warmer because of the hat. After perhaps 45 minutes, I couldn't feel my feet (no neoprene boots) so it was time to go. Trotting across the windswept beach felt colder than in the water due to the windchill. Amazingly, 10 minutes later when I reached the car, the inside of the hat was relatively dry and water was beading on the outside (I'd proofed it a few months ago). In fact it was dry enough to wear while I changed, had a warming brew at the local cafe and drove home!
This link takes you to the The Great Outdoors Forum and a review of the FurTech Claw.
4.4.2 Summary of Wearer Trial 2
For the trial the participant wore a cotton T-shirt with medium weight woven trousers. The prototype jacket was worn directly over the base layer. The participant carried a side bag which contained food and drink provisions and an extra layer in case conditions worsened. The participant was a 25yr old male who goes walking regularly. The weather conditions were sunny and hot with a few clouds with one short spell of very light rain. The relative humidity was approximately 72% in the early morning and the winds were 6 miles per hour. The type of paths varied from stone, to grass and mud, with some wet overgrown moorland and small sections of road walking. The route was described as a moderate level, 8 ½ mile walk with an ascent of 1600ft and the activity took approximately 5 hours to complete, (see Appendix 4.3.)
On receiving the jacket the participant studied the features and also commented that it felt lighter than it looked and thought that the fit was good, emphasising weight and fit as important factors of wet weather breathable garments.
The results from the psychological scaling were interesting to compare to the first trial due to the contrast in the weather. The participant felt comfortable at the beginning and end of the walk. With regards to thermal sensation the participant went from feeling neutral at the beginning of the walk to feeling warm on completion. This was a drop of two points on the scale. The temperature had slowly increased throughout the day which would explain this.
This rise in thermal sensation had not affected the participant’s perception of comfort. This small rise in temperature was therefore within the participant’s tolerance levels. With regards to moisture sensation the participant felt dry at both the beginning and end of the walk. This was slightly surprising as due to the increase in temperature the assumption would be that the body would be sweating to cool itself thus producing more moisture within the system. The higher temperature of the environment could however be aiding the rate of WVT through the fabric, which shows that the breathability of the fabric was satisfactory in these conditions. Cooling would have also been aided by the pit zips and vents through forced convection.
At twenty minutes into the walk the participant began to slightly perspire, whilst ascending a relatively step hill in hot and sunny conditions. At this point the pit zips and chest vents were utilised which he states “instantly cooled me” At no point in the walk did the participant feel too cold or hot, this is due to the level of activity and the environmental conditions. The jacket kept the participant comfortable all day and was not removed. He liked the fact that he could remove his arms completely from the pit zips which resulted in efficient cooling, “I found this feature extremely useful and efficient.” All the technical features were used other than the hood which was not required. He claims that they “managed my comfort well.” The technical features enabled the participant to maintain thermal balance. Maintaining thermal balance was more important to the participant than getting slightly wet. When there was light drizzle the participant did not put his arms back into the sleeves for protection.
The participant did however put his arms back in when the wind picked up; this could be that the wind made the participant feel colder more quickly.
The fabric performed well in sunny and hot conditions, maintaining thermophysiological comfort and adequate protection.
"...We both tried your medium claw on 2 walks in Pennine hills over the last 2 weekends up to 2000 feet, low cloud, light to medium rain, steep climbs. Strong winds on the tops. One wearing your jacket over a thin Merino layer and a power stretch top, the other: one time a merino + power stretch + a fleece under a Goretex Paclite, the second time merino +power stretch + a down gilet under a Gore-Tex paclite. We swapped over halfway through.
Firstly we tried the condensation test, after a steep climb. The result is clear, (just like a Paramo jacket we borrowed from a friend) the one of us wearing your jacket had very little dampness on the inside of the claw. The Gore-Tex was a little damp when the rain was not prolonged enough to totally saturate the outside, but was wet enough inside to make your hand glistening wet when the rain was heavier and we climbed again . The down gilet lost half its loft....
...The vent zips worked well for both of us, it was not the weather to take your arms out but that works too. Even when windy you could open the arm part without rain getting in but the part on your body could just get rain in if the wind blew right in it. So that side needed zipping up a little. They can be used without disturbing a rucksack. Ellie claims to not like hoods but has now decided that she does not like other hoods. " by Derek Goffin.
4.4.1 Summary of Wearer Trial 1
To summarise the results and responses from each participant’s questionnaire, the answers have to be put into context with regards to clothing, the human body and the environment, factors identified in chapter 2.1.
For the trial the participant wore a 100% polyester sleeveless base layer with heavy weight trousers. The prototype jacket was worn directly over the base layer. The participant also carried a rucksack which contained food and drink provisions and an extra layer in case conditions worsened. The participant was a 24 yr old female who regularly walks and goes bike riding. The weather conditions were bad. There was constant rain throughout, which varied in its intensity. At the beginning it was lightly raining, it quickly changed to moderate rain with periods of heavy rain. The relative humidity was extremely high at approximately 92% and the winds were strong at 10 miles per hour. The type of paths varied from grass and mud to gravel and stone with very small sections of road walking. The route was described as a moderate level, 7 ½ mile walk with an ascent of 1800ft. It took 4 hours and 45 minutes to complete. (See Appendix 4.2)
On presenting the jacket to the participant, the initial response was,
“The jacket was much lighter than I thought it would be when I first saw it. It is really comfy as well, the inside is really smooth.”
This clarifies that weight is an important factor. The weight of additional layers is also eliminated with this jacket, which could be beneficial. Sensorial comfort is also commented on, so just from donning the jacket the wearer has received a pleasant experience.
The results from the psychological scaling showed that the initial perception of comfort from the beginning of the walk to the end of the walk varied very little, even though the weather conditions were bad. With regards to thermal sensation the participant went from feeling neutral at the beginning of the walk to feeling cool at the end. This was an increase of two points on the scale and suggests, when the jacket becomes saturated through prolonged rain the insulating properties decrease a little. With regards to moisture sensation the wearer went from being totally dry to slightly wet, but did specify it was only very slightly. The main concerns being that the cuffs stayed slightly wet and there was a tiny wet patch on the base layer near the centre front zip and the pockets. This shows how the construction of a jacket / features can affect and decrease the overall perception of comfort and the overall level of protection. This problem has been identified due to the wearing of this garment in a specific location in wind driven, rainy conditions. This may not have been uncovered through laboratory testing of the fabric as it seems to be design related. The participant noticed minimal sweat, briefly, on an incline where she was exerting a lot more energy, so even though there was constant rainfall and the relative humidity was high, the breathability of the fabric was satisfactory.
Features such as pit and chest zips were used to aid cooling on climbs, where a slight rise in temperature was experienced. The pit zips opened completely, but due to the strong winds and heavy rain the arm got revealed and got slightly wet. The sleeve area did not dry out that quickly which led to a slight feeling of discomfort. This suggests a garment that can dry quickly will help to maintain comfort levels of the wearer. The wind may have been aiding the drying process of the rest of the jacket. The participant said if she were to repeat the activity she would wear a long sleeve base layer to improve comfort.
Adjustments allowed the wearer to fit the jacket and minimise the air flow. This seemed to help when she began to feel cold due to been on high grounds with strong winds.
Throughout the trial the wearer did not over heat. It would have been interesting to see how this would have been affected had the sun have come out and increased the temperature a little.
The trial revealed the significance of a well designed, functional hood in wind driven rainy conditions. It provided protection and kept the wearer dry.
“It was a great feature function wise, especially in those conditions. It stayed in place due to all of the adjustments and the peak allowed for full visibility and also helped keep my face dry. It was the best feature of the jacket in fact.”
The adjustments allowed the wearer to achieve perfect fit and performance and made the experience more pleasant by still allowing for panoramic views.
The level of protection from constant, moderate to occasional heavy rain was good and it seemed that comfort and breathability were not compromised by this. The insulating properties of the jacket were good and kept the wearer warm in periods of rest. Chapter 2.2.3 revealed a shortcoming with water resistant fabrics, which is due to the pores still functioning, pressure forces rain through them. The pressure from the rucksack did not force water through this jacket which if it were going to occur would be likely to in these conditions.
With this link you can see Outdoor Magic's review of the FurTech Talon and the longer Claw (8cm front, 4cm back).
(I'd just like to clarify that the FurTech lining is approximately 50% thicker than Paramo's, but only about 25% heavier - closer to the old Paramo fabric - giving a better warmth to weight ratio. Overall FurTech jackets are lighter, warmer and better vented.)
I used the claw jacket for the first time at the weekend on a horseshoe route of Buchaille Etive Mor,it was a cold dry day perfect for trying out the CLAW.
The Glencoe region had its first covering of snow albeit a light powdering and the temperature was bitter in the wind. I pulled the jacket over a merino wool base layer and you soon appreciate the design, as we started to climb the body heat soon built up and I produce a lot off heat even in cold temperatures. I noticed the difference - no stripping off, you can control the heat build up with the vents in the arms, as we reached the ridge, while admiring the view, I was struck by the lack off cold sweat on my back which is the norm with me and as the freezing wind hit us the jacket proved to have more than enough protection from the elements.
The hood design is also worth a mention, easily rolled down and even easier to put up, resizing it is a doddle and a distinct lack off claustrophobia that you get with most hoods when fully done up is noticed.
On the quality of the jacket at first glance it looks fragile but on closer inspection the build quality is apparent. Its soft feel is what strikes you but after using it even though it was only one day it feels bombproof.
All in all a great package the "Faff Factor" is eliminated I never had to resort to stripping off layers or having to change to a dry base layer at the top,I will give you more feedback as I will soon be using the jacket in more extreme temperatures and I am sure it will perform great!
Yours Stuart Wilson"
Hi Andy,
Thanks for the Talon jacket, which I received last week.
I was actually looking for a multi-activity jacket, and my initial choice was the Paramo Velez, but I wasn’t convinced that the smock design would offer me sufficient ventilation. Clearly ventilation is THE issue for any non-membrane waterproof which has pretensions to be anything other than a cold-weather garment, and there was enough information on your website to convince me that you had thought very hard and put a lot of design into this issue, so I went for the Talon, despite the fact it is not specifically designed for my purpose.
The first thing to say is that it is very comfortable to wear, including against bare skin when wearing a short-sleeved baselayer (unlike my eVent jacket). The use of short-sleeves makes the maximum use of the rain vents, and I can’t see myself wearing a long-sleeved baselayer under it until it gets really cold. The rain vents themselves are superb – I haven’t really worked out how they stay opened-up during normal walking, but they do, and in the mild, autumnal weather we’ve been having recently they’ve kept me really cool, despite the inherent warmth of the jacket.
The fit of the Talon is perfect for me – it’s a close fit but does not in any way feel restrictive, and has just enough extra arm length to cope with lifting my hands in the air. The short cut loses a couple of pockets compared to the Claw, but means I have good access to my trouser pockets, and also saves some weight and bulk for when the jacket ends up in my pack. I would have preferred it to be slightly longer at the back, but that is just a matter of personal preference.
The hood is exceptional. I can wear it in pretty much any position on my head and still it remains secure. The clear visor is innovative and practical, and I can see more manufacturers following your lead. (I was actually expecting it to be more opaque, from pictures I had seen and comments I had read, but it really is clear, and you really can see through it). I cannot get the hood comfortably over a cycling helmet, but I cannot really complain about that, as it is well outside the garment’s brief. (I can, of course, put the cycling helmet over the hood).
I love the retractable Velcro cuff loops. I have one soft-shell on which the Velcro on the cuffs snags the material of the jacket almost constantly when in normal use, and not to have the cuffs flapping around when not in use is fantastic. I have taken to wearing my gloves under the sleeves rather than over as I used to, and this causes no problem at all. I do have my doubts about the durability of the cuff-loop housing, but I will be happy to be proved wrong.
The crotch strap works really well (gets a few looks in WHSmith, though), and the pockets are big and situated well between the chest strap and the hip strap of my rucksack.
The only thing that concerns me slightly is that the main zip, which does not have a front stormflap, may let water through in driving rain. It certainly did in the “monsoon conditions” of my shower, but in real-world rain I have yet to have a problem.
As someone who always researches products thoroughly, I would not have bought this jacket if I did not think it was the most versatile jacket on the market. It is also, to my taste anyway, considerably more stylish than those made by any of your direct competitors. (I know, it’s not about fashion…) On top of all that, it actually keeps me dry in the rain! Even when the outer wets out! The manufacturers of membrane waterproofs seem to deny that their garments will ever wet out if the DWR is good. But clearly they do, and clearly their effectiveness is drastically reduced as a result. (I am no scientist, but I know when I’m wet and cold!).
Good luck with the brand in the future,
Yours, Tim Maple
This year, in the Lowther Hills, Saturday became progressively wetter and windier. I used the same Blizzard Tube and Vest as last year and they now show some signs of wear (compressed cells, cracked foil and a tear) having been carried on most trips I've made over the year. They were especially effective at keeping the wetness at bay inside our tiny single skin tent - even when the rain stopped outside, every gust of wind was blasting us with sprayed condensation. Inside the tube it was warm and cosy, though more condensation collected in the bottom than I'd noticed on previous occasions.
The event also demonstrated the quick drying effectiveness of FurTech type clothing worn by increasing numbers of competitors.
"If you are tired of condensation then give FurTech a go, as it is far more breathable than other waterproofs, thanks to its unique fabric construction. The Claw jacket is also warmer than most waterproofs, again thanks to the unique fabric, but you get side venting if needed. So use it in cold, wet winter weather and it should be ideal. You get two huge pockets on the hips and another two on the chest. The hood fit and movement are unbelievably good, and it has a unique clear visor that provides protection without giving the feeling of peering out of a gun barrel. The cut is fashionably short while movement in the sleeves is ideal for climbing. A great design for cold weather climbing and mountaineering."(Bold added for emphasis.)
"I've been using the prototype a lot (we've had the weather for it) and continue to be very impressed. We had some *very* humid days in August with very heavy rain. Wearing the furtech along with my Lowe Alpine over-trousers really showed the difference in condensation; the jacket got a bit damp (the humidity was enough to stop anything from drying out) but nowhere near as wet as my trousers got underneath the membrane waterproofs." Tommy Martin (outdoor photographer)
Journeys with my Talon
This first review of my new jacket takes place against a number of days and some pretty unbelievable weather conditions. I am leading an expedition from UWIC to climb in the Himalayas next year and we take every opportunity to train in as many varied conditions as we can. We have recently spent two days in hot weather overnighting in Bivvys on Dartmoor. We then moved up to a climbing hut in Snowdon and spent a day trying to ridge there in 70mph winds with constant horizontal rain which felt remarkably like sleet. The next day saw us in the Cadris Idris climbing in light wing and mild sun. One week later I was walking alone in freezing conditions for 12 hours ridging and trekking in the Brecon Beacons, again it was VERY cold and very wet with mist the whole day. All this in a British August! Clearly the jacket has had a good workout and there is lots more to come before we depart.
The Jacket
Firstly it looks good. The jacket fits well but there is also plenty of room to move about within it. The first days down in Dartmoor proved two things the big vents really do work and the tie back using the clip provided is sound. The jacket is robust and doubled as a pillow with out any problem. Wicking was exceptional (and proved the same in all conditions!) and when the sun was hot enough the jacket went into my sack with very little weight. A bigger test was at Snowdon. 12 hours in the pouring rain was an extreme test especially with the wind as well (50-60mph). Our camera became waterlogged at this stage so no pic’s until we get a new one (– sorry). The jacket beaded throughout and did not leak at all (all of the Gortex jackets had some leakage despite being treated). The cold was a factor so I kept my hood up with my hat on under, and this presented no problems, a helmet would have been fine. I am very impressed with the ability to quickly resize the hood as well. The soft cover for my mouth was also a real bonus.
I had originally thought that the plastic edge to the hood was a bit of a gimmick but I could not have been more wrong. The fact that the thing comes down around the face a little gives excellent protection to the eyes and face from cross wind and rain. I did not originally think that the peak was big enough but again because of the way it lies it does give exceptional coverage but the biggest advantage is the complete removal of the ‘tunnel vision’ that darker hoods impose. I was both protected and space-ally aware at all times, a real bonus when climbing.
The soft material was resilient and never in danger of catching or tearing as Gortex or Event is prone to do. The jacket kept me warm but not hot and I was easily able to maintain a good body heat on all days of the testing. Useful as I tend to overheat easerly. I think I would still keep a basic midlayer for summer days and just carry the jacket but once on ,even in really foul conditions it works great just over a good base layer. It is plenty warm enough and I was glad I got the lighter version. An interesting fact was the number of looks and positive comments asked about the jacket. Many people had not heard about your company was were pleasantly surprised by the product (I note that the Mountain Leader Training Association have a members link to other companies products but not to yours and I wonder if this is an opportunity going begging as these are the people who might well benefit from your range?). This lack of recognition about your product surprised me as many of these people were wearing Lowe Alpine ect and were therefore not novices in terms of self protection from the elements.
I noted two potential problems. Firstly when the hood is buckled down into the jacket it does provide a nice soft and high collar but if you are carrying a sack it quickly gets wet from sweat and is unpleasant to wear. I wonder about degradation as well. I overcame this quite easerly buy rolling it into itself and leaving it outside. The high collar remained and the hood was easy to use. I did this in all weather and had no problems. The second and more serious problem was the sleeve fasteners and this was the only thing about the jacket that I really did not like. They are difficult to use as they sit is a sheaf which the have to be plucked from as I found that they tend to retreat into it. When used they bunch up the jacket and make the use of mountain gloves very difficult as they seem designed to sit over the glove where most gloves with skirts are designed to sit over the sleeve(my gloves are from the ME range and have very tight banding at both wrist and cuff). They did work though and no water went up my sleeve but I have some doubts about how long the holders will last. A simpler design like that used on my Mountain Equipment jacket which just locks down suits me much better and is a lot quicker. I also did not much like the look of them either.
Overall this jacket is really remarkable and I do love it. It is my first (and increasingly my only) choice for days on the moor and in the mountains and I really like its looks, fill and reliability. In extreme conditions we all have to trust our kit, sometimes with our lives and I am happy to do this with your jacket. I look forward next month to taking it to Glen Coe and the Ben. I will let you know how we get on.
Paul.
Revd Paul Fitzpatrick
Chaplain University of Wales Institute Cardiff
(Views of the jacket, including the cuff and hood, can be seen here.)
Please follow this link to Outdoors Magic for a user review of the FurTech Claw in driving rain.
On a recent Dolomites trip we encountered some very hot and wet weather. Thunder rumbled in the distance as heavy rain poured down, yet I'd estimate the temperature to be about 28'C. As we descended it felt like we were walking into a rain forest. Roxanne decided to put her FurTech jacket on but I stayed in my T-shirt, shorts and cap without getting too cold. A friend was just as wet in his membrane waterproof. The problem wasn't staying dry, it was keeping a comfortable temperature and having enough insulation in case conditions deteriorated.
Please click on the link below for the July'07 Trail review of the FurTech Talon (2 pockets and a little shorter than the Claw).
Download trl_p16_first_test_fu9c5141.pdf
Information about our WindShells is available here.
Detailed information about layering HardShells over SoftShells is available here.
Technically speaking it was spring, but it felt like summer, and for most of the day I wore shorts and T-shirt, pulling the Talon out of the sack as a cool evening breeze brushed across the Cairngorm plateau. I popped my arms out of the sleeves for the final climb to the summit of Cairngorm and slipped them back in again for the descent. Chris (TGO gear editor) stayed in his merino shirt throughout and the difference in our metabolism was apparent. In comparison to my wife I run hot, but compared to Chris I was feeling the cold.
Chris's account can be read here.
"Thanks for the exchange.Received the jacket Friday, and used it Saturday
night.
I was doing a security shift for a large scout camp overnight and wore it
all night. In the small hours I layered a belay jacket over the Claw. I am
impressed at its comfort and breathability. When will the trousers be
available?"
Keith Morey
This link takes you to OutdoorsMagic.
Great to meet you the other day. After an unusually long spell of blue skies and sunshine, we've finally had some proper Cumbrian weather and I've had a chance to try out the jacket. I went up one of the hills overlooking Ullswater this morning, steep enough to build up a sweat and with enough driving rain to get the jacket to wet out (eventually). The wind coming off the lake was full on, with occasional gusts that were difficult to stand up against, and plenty of very cold stinging rain.
This is one of my regular walks, I know from experience that the inside of my gore-tex would be dripping by the time I started back down and distinctly cold and clammy by the time I got home. The inside of the Furtech was bone-dry, warm and comfortable the whole time. The outside was completely saturated where I was facing the wind/rain, and drying out incredibly fast on my leeward side. My merino baselayer seems very well suited to Furtech; merino can take while to dry once it gets soaked, but has the advantage of staying comfortable through a wide range of temperatures. Under the Furtech it stayed completely dry. Distinctly non-waterproof combat trousers were soaked and my legs were absolutely freezing by the time I got home.
Specific comments about the design:
Hood:
I love this hood. One weird thing about it is that I've become used to hoods that give you the illusion of sealing out the bad weather, by reducing sound and visibility. The Furtech hood doesn't feel like wearing a hood at all, still being able to hear the howling wind I didn't *feel* as protected. Of course, I could also still hear the sky larks singing, which is just great.
I wonder if the elastic is strong enough on the hood. When it's all
cinched down it's very comfortable, but facing strong gusts some of the wind does force its way in at the sides and inflate the hood a bit.
Pockets:
I really like having all that space. As a photographer they come in very handy changing lenses and filters.
Looking at the jacket in detail it seemed that the design of the pockets adds multiple layers of outer shell and lining (and therefore weight) to the front. I was wondering if it was all necessary, or if some of those layers could be replaced by mesh lining?
Having said that, in practice I really like the fact that I didn't have to keep zipping/unzipping the lower pockets when I was using them as handwarmers. And being able to put wet hats and gloves into them is a very handy thing. Pros and cons...
Overall I'm *so* impressed with this jacket. Each time I've bought a new jacket in the past I've hoped that it would work that well and pretty much given hope after my last purchase turned out to be another bin bag.
Another market you may want to think about in the future is bird-watchers. In low-viz colours this is a fantastic bird/wildlife jacket, being so much quieter than the usual waterproofs and having pockets that will take binoculars, books and pretty much anything else you could ever need
Tommy Martin (photographer)
"In April 2007, I used the Furtech Claw Jacket as part of an Expedition to Liverpool Land, Eastern Greenland. The climate is very harsh and also unpredictable at this time of year. The temperatures ranged from -5c to -20c sometimes with a strong cold breeze. I wore the jacket all day whilst mountaineering and skiing and I felt very comfortable. I am 5ft 11in, normally wear a large t-shirt so a size large jacket felt just right. The jacket was a essential part of my clothing worn during the trip.
"The jacket itself has many features. The hood was a snug fit around the head especially when used during strong winds. This can be adjusted around the back of the neck and also on the rear of the head. I also liked the idea of the clear visor on the hood which gave me better visibilty of about 4cm when used. I also found the fabric close to the mouth when the hood were up very soft and not abrehsive to the skin. This was paramount to me as some jacket fabrics can feel harsh and irritable and thus wanting to remove the hood. The jacket has 2 chest pockets which I found great as I could carry my essential items in such as suncream, lipsalve, chocolate bars and a change of headgear if required. The hand pockets were used to carry extra gloves if needed. Underneath the jacket I wore one lightweight thermal and a medium weight thermal with the jacket used as the outside layer. I felt comfortable at all times during activity and only had to apply a duvet jacket when coming to a standstill during extreme temperatures after ski touring or climbing up the peaks. The hem of the jacket were nicely secured around my waist to prevent any unwanted chills around my midriff and also didn't interfere with the harness I was wearing over the jacket. The cuffs were readily tightened around my wrist and fitted easily over my thick gloves and was adjusted easily with the black bite tabs. The rain vents which are fitted near the underarm area to the jacket, was used as a thermostat so that as my body increased in temperature I could open them during activity and to close them when immobile. I found the jacket a godsend on this journey and would definately reccommend this item to anyone travelling during this environment. I also look forward to using the jacket on many more trips."
Darren Davis also wrote:
Hi Andy
Glad you like the photos. Yes we climbed 12 peaks in total even though we were tent bound for two and half days due to bad weather.
I think BBC Radio Nottingham may be doing a website for me. I'm waiting for their reply.
I have no problems in you using the feedback and using any of the pictures, i'll leave that up to you.
The jacket itself for me was perfect, honestly. I wouldn't change a thing at all. It felt so comfortable and light and performed to the highest of standards.
I hope you make this jacket a major selling item on your website.
Thanks again for support.
Best Regards
Darren
Some of the expedition pictures can be seen here and here.
BBC Radio Nottingham interviewed Darren. Hear it here.
The New York Times article "The Warming of Greenland" (Liverpool Land)
Chris Townsend (Equipment Editor at TGO) shared some of his experiences of using waterproofs over wet clothing:
"I've worn most waterproofs over wet clothing at some time! In most cases I stay clammy and the clothing doesn't dry out much. I do warm up though. The best hardshell is eVENT and wet clothing has dried through this. There is no hardshell fabric I would want to wear next to the skin except for OMM's stuff, which is soft on the inside. Paramo does dry quickly when wet and wet clothing dries through it. In February I got soaked almost to the waist fording a river with my Paramo trousers unzipped and rolled up. The temperature was -15C and I crawled out onto snow. (This was in Yellowstone and the river was fed by thermal springs, which is why it wasn't frozen). I was shivering violently and my legs were numb when I zipped down the wet trousers. The trousers froze and were stiff with ice. Within ten minutes of setting off skiing my legs were warm and the trousers almost dry. No hardshell fabric performs like this."
These comments appertain to the problems of adding waterproofs to wet softshell or adding over trousers to wet leg wear: a scenario that is common as conditions develop from drizzle to rain.
FurTech use similar fabrics and technology to Paramo. Our waterproof trousers are typically worn next to the skin and jackets are usually worn over a baselayer.
Thanks to http://www.luminous-landscape.com/galleries/southwest/winter_landscapes.shtml for their inspiring images of Yellowstone.
Mav posted some comments on the Trail forum, here.
"am impressed by the feel and have had it out on warmish days without any condensation or wetness... must say the breathability is A1!"
A 10 mile walk in the sun over Fan Foel wasn't a serious test, but the new GoLite Jam2 pack is as comfortable as the old one, which I've used quite extensively walking, climbing, running and biking.
I've also used it climbing at Three Cliffs, Gower. With 12Kg of rock climbing gear the
harness is surprisingly comfortable and, for hefty loads, the new Brock foam shoulder straps show their worth compared to the Jam 1. The hip belt is a slightly better shape than the predecessor.
Lightly loaded with shoes etc. the sack wasn't noticeable while climbing. One seldom reported aspect of these sacks is their freedom of movement for climbing. It is very easy to tuck the hip belt out of the way - just wrap it around the base of the shoulder straps. I'd recommend that you tie up the side and top straps if it's windy as they are long enough to whip around when the sack is compressed (if you are considering carrying a mat on the side this length will be appreciated.)
Looking at the design of the Jam 2 compared to smaller super light sacks and the GoLite Pinnacle, it is evident that significantly larger capacity can be had for relatively little extra weight. At 600g and 50L the Jam2 is lighter than many adventure race 30L packs, but the extra volume can be very useful (emergency bivis?) and it carries tiny loads well using the Compaktor system. I find that it's easier to reach in and grab what I want if the sack isn't packed tightly, so the volume has a benefit there too. And in cold conditions it makes sense to pack your insulation loose so that it comes out with decent loft.
One concern is that the bladder tube ports don't look very weather resistant and I intend to use a piece of sticky tape to seal them.
Chris Townsend comments on his experiences of lightweight vs heavy weight packs on his blog dated 30th March 2007.
Many years ago, walking in the NW of Scotland we reached a stunningly beautiful beach (I can't remember exactly where). It was raining but the blue green sea was crashing into white breakers and I just couldn't resist going for a swim.
Afterwards my Paramo kit went straight back on without me drying off, as I hadn't a towel. 15 minutes later I was completely dry again, despite the fact that we were walking along in persistent drizzle. FurTech works in exactly the same way.
More recently I've let my legs get wet in summer drizzle and then popped the trousers over the top when I've stopped. This provides incredible versatility for summer mountain weather!
The Go Lite Pinnacle is the new and updated version of the GoLite Gust, which was widely regarded as a seminal product by the cognoscente.
Chris Townsend reviewed the GoLite Pinnacle in the April issue of TGO. It seems that all the improvements he wanted on the Gust have been added to the Pinnacle: thicker padding, side straps, compression system and easy access side pockets. TGO gave it a "Best Buy" rating and Chris said "arguably the best pack for lightweight loads around".
When looking at the GoLite Gust I was particularly impressed with this story using it climbing (and surviving) in the Antarctic. I have also heard stories of these sacks being dropped down rock pitches without damage.
Personally, I have been using the Gust's little brother, the Go Lite Jam, which has also been updated to the Jam 2. I have been particularly impressed with its freedom of movement while climbing... which I wasn't really expecting.